Embracing Curiosity: A Path to Spiritual Growth with Rachel White

Have you ever felt skeptical about how tools like meditation, tarot cards, and/or flower essences can be a path for professional and spiritual growth? If so, you’re not alone. In this enlightening conversation, I sit down with Rachel White, known as the “Skeptical Shaman,” to discuss how skepticism can actually be a powerful tool for uncovering deeper truths on your spiritual journey.

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“Spirituality helps cultivate intuition. It helps you think for yourself, get to know yourself, and also, just in terms of daily self-care.” – Rachel White

As the owner of Totem Readings, Rachel White blends the “woo” with 25 years of corporate experience. During our interview, Rachel shares her fascinating path from Catholic school to atheism, and ultimately to shamanic practice, revealing how maintaining a healthy dose of skepticism led her to profound spiritual experiences. We explore the often-misunderstood difference between skepticism and cynicism, and why cultivating discernment is crucial for anyone on a spiritual path.

Through our discussion, you’ll discover:

Practical benefits: Learn how spiritual practices can boost intuition, self-awareness, and even support your physical well-being
Tarot insights: Uncover how tarot cards can serve as a powerful tool for tapping into your intuition and navigating life’s challenges
Plant wisdom: Explore the fascinating world of herbalism and flower essences, and how connecting with nature can profoundly impact your spiritual growth
Intuition’s value: The dangers of toxic positivity in spiritual communities and why it’s essential to trust your instincts when something feels off.

Whether you’re a curious skeptic or a seasoned spiritual seeker, this conversation offers fresh perspectives on navigating the complex world of spirituality with both openness and discernment. Get ready to challenge your assumptions and discover new ways to connect with your inner wisdom.

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TRANSCRIPT

Gloria Grace Rand
Namaste. Have you ever considered that skepticism about spirituality could actually be the key to unraveling deeper truths? Well, we’re going to be diving into this topic today with a woman who is known as the skeptical shaman. But before I bring her on, I would like to welcome those of you who are new to live, love, engage. I am Gloria Grace, and I help female entrepreneurs attract more clients with calm, clarity, and confidence by releasing those negative thought patterns like self doubt and poor self worth. And I’m really delighted to be bringing on our guest today because we’ve already been having a lovely conversation. And like, wait, we need to stop because I want to save it. I want to save it for the podcast. So her, her name is Rachel White, and she is an unusual spiritual practitioner who blends 25 years of corporate experience with the woo. And she is also a podcaster as well. She hosts the Skeptical Shaman podcast. She’s the owner of totem readings and creator of the totem cart, Tarot Deck, I should say. And so without further ado, I’m going to go ahead and bring her on and welcome you, Rachel, to live. Love, engage.

Rachel White
Thank you so much. What an intro. Wow.

Gloria Grace Rand
Well, thank you. And you know, you deserve it. And I’m really. Yeah, as I said, I was really, really fortunate to have come across you, and I want to dive right in and have you talk a little bit about why, why skepticism is a form of discernment.

Rachel White
Yeah. Well, long story, very short, I’ll give the executive summary is I went to, to catholic school basically my whole life in fits and starts and including college. I went to Loyola in Chicago. And coming out of all of that Catholicism, I went right into what I jokingly call smug atheism, where I was like, oh yeah, science explains this. I got this on lock. I know everything about everything and really was operating in that mode, in that paradigm until I had a very profound spiritual experience, very unexpected, wasn’t pursuing any of this, wasn’t reading any books. And it was an event that was so kind of overt that neighbors in my old building were witnessing objective phenomenon. And I had to go back to the drawing board. And what was interesting about that was the skepticism I had applied to Sunday school and asking questions I didn’t feel like were getting answered in the catholic church growing up. It was the same skepticism that was present as I was questioning the other paradigm I had gotten into. It led me to shamanism and to my own shamanic practice now. So I think people view being skeptical as being cynical. And to me, those are two very different things. Skeptical is just like, I’m curious. Tell me more. And extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. And if we’re doing something real, there should be some evidence, even if it’s qualitative. So I have a podcast where the main topic is, get curious, use your discernment. And it’s fairly repetitive in the space of, you don’t have to explain to yourself why you’re uncomfortable about something. You just are. And it could be, yeah, you’re getting triggered or you’re growing, but it could also be the person’s a creep or it’s a cult. And so giving yourself permission to just feel it out, take your time, let things sit, observe them, and then, but keep moving. Don’t let a bad actor throw you off of spirituality.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. That is so important, really, because it has so many benefits, spirituality. So, in fact, I’m going to ask you about that. So since you had this journey going from learning about catholic school, then becoming an atheist, so what have you found the benefits of being spiritual now in your life?

Rachel White
Yeah. Well, I think it’s way more actionable and pragmatic on a human skill than people realize. Because people tend to equate spirituality with their experience of religion. Right. Some people have very good experiences with religion, but a lot don’t. And what I found is it helps cultivate intuition. It helps you think for yourself, get to know yourself, and also just in terms of daily self-care. You know, I have a mug here, actually. This was made by my beautiful client, Audrey. Shout out to Audrey. Pottery class. But herbal tea, you know, I’m now an herbalist, bringing these things in when I’m not feeling good. My throat is a little scratched. I make flower essences now. These are all things that have been used by various cultures for thousands and thousands of years, and we’ve kind of become disconnected from them. And we’ve seen religion and spirituality as this far off thing about morality and sacrifice and self-punishment instead of like a thing you can leverage for your own benefit every day. So that’s a lot of what I focus on as well on the podcast.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. And I do, I can relate to this in so many ways because I, especially the intuition part, because I don’t know about you, but when I was younger, that I would have, like, these intuitive hits and I wouldn’t always pay attention to them. And in fact, sometimes I would just be like, eh, you know, whatever, and ignore it. And then, as I like to say, it would bite me in the butt, frankly, because I didn’t pay attention to it. And so, as I’ve grown on my spiritual journey, I definitely am number one. I’m here. I’m getting, like, more intuitive ideas and things that will come up, and then I’m paying attention and I’m acting on them.

Rachel White
Yeah, yeah. You’ve built a muscle memory of. I call it when I do, like, spiritual transformation coaching work with clients, it’s a trustful with you and spirit, and you start little, and I don’t like high stakes stuff. I’m not one of those coaches that’s like, you got to take the plunge. You got to quit your job. You got to. It’s like, no, no, no. Don’t. Chill out. It’s okay. You can build this slowly and methodically, but spiritually, building this relationship of trust, of. You’ve never let me down. Every time I get a hit and it feels this way or it comes in this way, it always ends up working out for me. They’ve never let me hang out the wind before, and as a small business owner now, because totem is my business, I self-publish decks, I make things, et cetera. I use intuition all the time now, and I’m very grateful, I have a strong muscle memory with it that I did some of the hard infrastructure work early, before the stakes were this real. And, in fact, I just invested in a podcast tour, which is something I did three years ago, and it’s, on paper, kind of insane. It’s money. If you grew up poor like I did, you’re like, we could do a lot with that money, but you just go, yeah, no, it’s going to be okay when you check in in your body, and other things are not okay when you check in with your body. And I turned down a television opportunity because it just did not physically feel good when I held it in my body. It’s the best way I can describe it. Yeah.

Gloria Grace Rand
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I’ve had opportunities in the past sometimes, too, where something comes up and it’s like, yeah, I’d really like to do this, but it’s just. It’s not the right time or frankly, I just don’t have the money for it. And I’ve then said, you know what? If it’s meant to be, it’ll come around again. And it did, and then I took advantage of it. So, because I just said, you know what? I’m not going to. I’m not going to force it, because I think that’s another thing, too, is if you force things, that’s where trouble happens.

Rachel White
It’s an odd, you know, to steal a phrase from Buddhism, middle path of, you’re always trying to create this balance between working effort, preparation, education, and then the more synchronistic serendipitous piece, the more yin of receiving abundance or opportunities. And in the last four and a half years, a lot of entrepreneurs that I know and I work with have really, it’s been a scarcity intensive time. And I think with what the stock market just did the other day and what’s kind of looming, that’s ticked back up. And one of the big things that I try to remember in these moments, like economically or in the market, is I’ve been close to homelessness before, I’ve been poorer before. So there’s those practices, thought exercises, right. But also that, you know, I’m already prepped for what’s coming next. And when I check in intuitively, you know, this iterative practice, I go, oh, yeah, I’m gonna be fine. And it gets you out of fear. You know, when I used tarot or shamanic tools when I was in corporate real estate, the biggest benefit it gave me was it took me out of fear and scarcity thinking, not where I wasn’t practical or reasonable, but it prepped me for changes that were beyond my control. Corporate reworks or I whatever. And because of that, things have been in flow for a long time. Not always easy, but in flow. Yeah.

Gloria Grace Rand
Well, you know, there’s a couple things now that are coming to mind that I want to ask you about, and I think we’ll start with this one that you just mentioned. I’m someone who is just, I guess, maybe not really mystified by tarot, but it’s just something that has never gravitated towards me. Yeah. Or I towards it, I guess would be the better way to say that. So what is it about tarot that maybe intrigued you? And then I know you created your own deck.

Rachel White
Yeah, and I created an oracle deck with our plant medicine. So using flower essences, trees, plants as an oracle deck. So that’s the new one. What drew me to it, it was just like instinct. I was nine. My father had a printer as a client. He brought trading cards, baseball trading cards, extant cards, things like that. Home. And one of the things was the writer weight tarot deck, an old classic Middle Ages style deck. And I didn’t even read the little booklet. I just started pulling them, and it was a knowing with tarot bringing that more into like every day. Now, what I’ve found that it does is it just, it takes out your questioning, you know, if you ping pong in your own consciousness about, is this my intuition? Is this not? Am I making this be this way or da da da? And it gives you a bit of a framework, so you get an edit on your own spiritual data, and it’s almost like a third party getting them to affirm, like, oh, yeah, that is why I’m feeling this way, or, this is what this is. You know, whatever fears I’m having, especially around scarcity, if you pull your cards and it’s a bunch of beautiful, abundant pentacles or my deck, it’s crystals, you go, oh, I’m worried for nothing. And it gives you permission to just not react all the time and to allow things to unfold. It’s in a weird way because I think a lot of psychic practitioners were impatient and were nosy. That’s the urge to get in there and get information and know what’s coming next and things like that. And oddly, tarot as a practice teaches present, because you go, well, if that’s coming in the near future, all I need to do is be present and keep doing what I’m doing, and this is gonna unfold, and I’m prepared for what’s coming at these various stages. So it’s really constructive that way. And I think, you know, my one-on-one sessions have been really busy this summer. Summer because I’ve moved from Chicago to Texas. Summer’s slow here. It’s the surface of the sun. Everybody leaves. It’s certainly off season, right. And it’s been consistently busy because I think Tarot’s uniquely good for people feeling fear and anxiety around the job market. And there’s a lot of tech jobs here and a lot of churn, and it’s really helpful in that context. I can’t recommend it enough, actually.

Gloria Grace Rand
And it is interesting because, again, this is something with me for whatever. I guess I just always found the tarot, you know, these clubs and pentacles and stuff very confusing. I like oracle decks, though. I mean, regular, you know, like your flower essences one is like, ooh, okay, you know, I could. I definitely want to, like, you know, maybe check that out, because that’s something I can gravitate to, because I guess I like the more just having, like, different. I’ve got lots of different ones, you know, some are for the goddess. Some are just, yeah, nature and things like that, and. And I do like them, too, as a way of maybe confirming, or were helping just to say, you know, my animal kind of thing. So they are good.

Rachel White
Daily, single card practice is always. I know I bore people because I just like the basics, because the basics work. I’m one of those, like, you have to learn the rules to break the rules, people. And I’ll just say in the morning, pull a card. I’ve been doing this every day lately for the last few weeks, and I wrote about on Substack, and you pull a card and you go, oh, this is all I need to worry about today. And it’s usually good news or whatever, and you just feel yourself surrender a little more. And also, if you’re trying to learn tarot, that’s the best way to learn it, because, of course, there’s books and guidebooks and all of that, but watching how it unfolds for you, whether it’s an oracle card, an I ching coin, a tarot card, it doesn’t really matter. And then you build your own language with it, and I think that’s the, that’s the art piece. If there’s an art and a science component is the intuitive relationship with the decks or the cards themselves in your own language with it, that’s, you know, your differentiator, frankly. If you’re doing this for a living, the thing you bring is the thing that can’t be replicated. Right?

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, absolutely.

Rachel White
It’s an AI proof job.

Gloria Grace Rand
That’s true. That’s true. Yeah, absolutely. Thank everyone. So we need more of that around. It seems like lately I’m intrigued by the name of your company. So, you know, you said totem, so what? What made you choose that? What does that mean to you?

Rachel White
Well, I am part native American. I know, it’s shocking. I didn’t get this coloring from the Irish side of a family. And it’s, you know, the concept of a totem, a lot of people associate it with a totem animal, and that’s certainly true. That’s a really big part of shamanic work. But also, you know, what is a totem? It’s this concept of a thing, an archetype or a symbol or an object that roots your energy here and helps you orient yourself spiritually and in your consciousness around a mission. And so everyone has a totem, right? Just sort of like in Game of Thrones, every family has a sigil, and it’s not always an animal or whatever, but I wanted to name it something where people understood. I was going to focus on empowering them to get to self-knowledge of themselves. So it’s a shamanic spiritual practice. The work I do with clients is shamanic, and as I joke all the time, shamans are not spiritual vending machines. We’re not fortune tellers. So there’s a lot of. Well, what do you think about that? And you know, what this is challenging you to do in the future might be, and how. How are you going to address that challenge or meet that moment? So it’s a path for people who really want to get in there and learn how to self-serve. So that’s kind of the crux of why we named it that.

Gloria Grace Rand
Very cool. I appreciate that because I think it’s interesting to know sometimes why we do choose a particular name for a particular reason. Yeah, I like that.

Rachel White
Well, I help a lot of clients with their brand guidelines, development and concept name and logo and all of that. You, from a business perspective, generally want something simple but memorable. You know, that’s authentic to you, but isn’t trying to encapsulate everything about you, because there’s no such thing. Right. And what word evokes or phrase or concept evokes this feeling in you, too, because you have to be excited about it. They say energy go or energy flows where attention goes. Right? Yeah.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. What’s a maybe commonly held belief, possibly about tarot, or maybe even spirituality in general, that you passionately disagree with?

Rachel White
I would refer to it under the banner of toxic positivity. So I’m a positive, optimistic person. Actually, I think most people who’ve lived through some things and learned how to be resilient generally are overwhelmingly optimistic. But I see a lot of the like, well, we don’t talk about that because that’s low vibration or bad things can only happen to you if you manifest them. So this sort of distortion, law of attraction concept shows up a lot in my space. And in addition to toxic positivity, I would call a sub bullet of that spiritual bypassing, which is using these tools, whether it’s tarot, meditation, maybe energy work, reiki, et cetera, in a way where you’re injecting out of emotions or psychological work you need to do to process things that integrate that, and in a grown up, kind of practical way. So I see a lot of what I call fairy tale thinking. I like fairy tales, too, but it’s a form of magical thinking. And it’s what I disliked about religion when I was in a catholic church. Going to catholic school as a child is. Everybody just sort of outsources their thinking and their free will to these authorities that absorb their dread and say, it’s going to be fine. It’s like, well, it may not be fine. I hope it’s fine. But we also have to get in the solution there. It’s almost a form of victim blaming in that toxic positivity space of like, well, if you’re feeling this way, it’s you. You need to look at that. It’s like, maybe I feel this way because this is a cult, or maybe I feel this way because you’re being abusive or you’re exploiting someone. You know, if you look at, I’ve interviewed quite a few NXIVM survivors. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that story of The Bow and HBO. Keith Raniere is serving 120 years in prison for good reasons, trust me. And a lot of that, it was a personal and professional coaching organization. And people really did get good wins out of it initially. But any negative feeling or any question about what people were seeing in it was all about this, you know? Well, you need to work on that. So they were being encouraged to internalize shame and guilt and blame themselves. And that’s my biggest bugaboo right now. We talk a lot about that on the podcast. I’ve interviewed several people featured in the documentary the Vow. They were kind enough to share their experiences because I think it’s very instructive for spiritual seekers. And by the way, people working in corporate cultures or anywhere else, like, is it a little culty or are you empowered? Right.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah. Yeah. And I’ve had a couple guests on the show also over the past couple of years that have talked about their experience. And, yeah, it’s, you know, it’s, I can imagine. And it’s that it’s tough being in that, especially because you, you, you join or maybe you start following somebody with all the good intentions and then somewhere along the way, something starts shifting. And I think that’s where, especially as you know, you talked, we talked about at the beginning about if you’re able to start really tuning into your own intuition and start and saying, okay, does this really feel right or is there something a little off about this? And then trusting that you, your internal guidance is always going to be the one that point you in the right direction. At least that’s my belief. I don’t know.

Rachel White
Well, it’s funny you mentioned that. So Bonnie Peace, who I interviewed on the skeptical Shaman, I’m actually going to join her on her podcast in the next few weeks. She’s lovely. She’s an actress. She’s been in Star Wars movies and that new show on the Disney+ Network and all of that. And she was the first one at the latest batch, featured in the documentary The Vow who woke up. She woke everybody up and got them out, including her husband. It was tough there for a while because he was very in. And privately, she and I talked about it, and she’s since said this publicly. What woke her up was a spiritual awakening, like a spontaneous Kundalini awakening. And of course, this gets cut from the documentary. You see none of that. But she just got very clear, and her intuition screamed at her and said, look around you. These people aren’t happy. They’re not making more money, and you just objectively audit it. So it’s sparked by intuition, but then you can apply logic and critical thinking skills and go, wait a minute. So we are promised these bullet points and none of us are getting them, and yet we’re working more and we’re sacrificing more. Something here is not fitting. And she didn’t have all the data, by the way. She wasn’t in that group that was directly abused in those ways by Keith. Obviously, she was abused by him in other ways, financially and psychologically and all of that. But it’s a great case study for why cultivating intuition is a survival skill. You know, think of it as keeping your flashlight and your bedside table in the event of a blackout or anything else. And it only works in those moments if you’ve been working it a little bit. And she had a long yoga practice, a long meditation practice, was always a spiritual seeker reading cards. You know, she’s a little bit more inclined to oracle cards like you as well. And I. It’s a great example of she didn’t just save herself and her marriage and her husband, but literally dozens and dozens of women from getting branded specifically. So these are things that we as individuals, but also collectively need. We need people to be seeing things a little differently. Right. And asking some questions, even if they’re wrong, even if they’re not onto something. Those are helpful people.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, definitely. What do you advise? Maybe your clients? Or what would you say to someone who’s listening to this and they’re intrigued, or they’re wanting to start exploring a spiritual path? What is the first step that you would encourage them to take?

Rachel White
Well, I fell in love with what’s called shamanic journey meditations, which is just a theta wave state meditation. If you’re familiar with Yoga Nidra brain in the same brain wave state, very parallel to a lucid dream. It’s really good for you. Very neuro restorative. So it encourages neuroplasticity and all that, and all it really is is you’re listening to a drumming music. You know, typically a shaman would play it. I just frankly like to listen to it downloaded to my phone so I could just go to happy psychic land and you just do a very embodying form of meditation in that state. I just think even if you don’t have off the bat a highly visual or symbolic experience in it, even though it tends to be psychedelic, it stimulates the release of endogenous DMT. It is great for your brain to get the hemispheres of your brain talking to each other more. That’s the big thing I see people struggle with is there’s such a wall, it’s such a walled garden between conscious rational you and unconscious dream mystical you. And the main thing that I’m trying to move towards in sustainable ways for people is getting them to break down their own barriers and their own neurology, so that, like, Carl Jung talked about this access to the world of the collective unconscious or synchronicities. He loved tarot in much the way, like an oracle deck works. He would use it with his clinical psychotherapy patients. He thought symbol communicated with the unconscious mind in a way that words cannot, and they would have these breakthroughs. And so, yeah, there’s all kinds of magic there when you get into that work, and even just taking 30 minutes in your afternoon in silence, sitting in the backyard or on a balcony or in a quiet room in your house, it does wonders. We just don’t do it, and we certainly don’t do it, that stuff consistently.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, yeah. And that’s. That is an important point, that consistency is so important. I know when I started a meditation practice, I committed to doing it every day, and it’s really. And it’s what I teach my clients and things too, is. And you don’t even have to do it for a long time. I will do it, you know, sometimes upwards of an hour. But even if you did five to ten minutes, but did it every day, you know, just find that time and commit to it, that it makes a world of difference.

Rachel White
And I like tools for this stuff. I use Insight Timer. You know, if I have a goal like a meditation or a nervous system recovery goal, and I’m busy, you know, I’m no different from anyone else. Use whatever works for you. It doesn’t have to be at a retreat in Bali. You don’t have to do d and t for eight days. Like, by the time I did psychedelics, which wasn’t that long ago, it was just a few years ago, I waited a long time. I probably had about 1516 years of shamanic journey meditation experience by that time, and it was. I took four. What is it, 4oz? My husband always jokes because I screw up the measurements of psychedelic mushrooms, and it was boring for me, and it’s funny. And he was like, are they working? Yeah, you know, the tree has eyes, but the tree, like, kind of always has eyes. You know, I just was so not impressed, actually. And that’s why I want people to just. You don’t need these big, extreme things like going to Peru for a month or, you know, doing all these hardcore psychedelics right away. In fact, I met on my podcast, interviewed these, a mother daughter pair. They made an oracle deck called lucid living, lucid dreaming. It’s amazing. And they’re real shamanic practitioners, and they don’t allow anyone to use plant medicine until they’ve worked with them for a set amount of time to make sure that they’re cool and they have the spiritual, energetic foundation, you know, to handle it. So it’s. Yeah, I think we’re at the pendulum swinging back again to the middle with all of that, which is good. Yeah, absolutely.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yes. And I’ve heard that, too, that with plant medicine, because it can go wrong really fast. So you really do think that that makes sense to have a good foundation under your belt? Before you try that, I like asking my guests this, and I think this, I’m. I can’t wait to hear your answer to it. So what are you curious about right now?

Rachel White
I am intensely curious about plant medicines that are non-psychedelic. So I’ve really gotten into herbalism. I grow all of my own plants, herbs, flowers. I make flower essences out of them. I sell those on Etsy, and it’s just. I innovate nothing here, this very old European kind of recipe, if you will, the way I make things. But the more I get into the work, the more interaction I’ve been having with nature spirits, hence creating the flower essence oracle deck, because being a city kid originally, and I live in downtown Austin, but trust me, compared to Chicago, this is the country. There’s so much nature here. It’s mind blowing how profound the work is and how accessible herbs, flowers, their magic are to people. And so I’ve become this weird hippie evangelist late in my life where I want people to go hug trees and talk to them and do that work. And my husband and I recently went to New Orleans, and I connected with a spirit guide there that’s a voodoo loa, and they were like, well, you know, are you a metal worker? I was trying to talk to this voodoo practitioner, and I was like, no, none of this makes sense. And he goes, well, he tends to show up for people who are really into herbalism and making plant medicine. I was like, there you go. And ever since that trip, anytime I plant a new seed or anything, there’s immediately a huge thunderstorm not predicted on the Weather channel or anything, so the seeds can germinate. I feel like I have this invisible helper, and it’s been really magical. It’s a return to, like, earlier spiritual experiences when it’s all really novel and beautiful and gentle and fun and unexpected. It’s really been fun.

Gloria Grace Rand
Very cool. Yeah, I love being out in nature. That’s like, my happy place. And so I love that you’re doing that. And unfortunately, where I live right now, I don’t have the ability to have a garden, but I will eventually, and I will definitely do that again.

Rachel White
In Chicago, we started the flower essence work just with a few planters on a balcony. And I had a meditation center, a separate commercial space with little roof access. And I just put a simple planter out there. It wasn’t a whole big operation. And just, you know, it sounds funny, but the concept of, like, touch grass, touch dirt actually really transmutes negative energy. And I think I was drawn to it during lockdown in Chicago during COVID for a reason, which was not touching nature. I’m not breathing. I’m not able to jog on the lakefront path or any of these things anymore. And it’s. There’s something in us that really needs it metaphysically and not just physically. It’s crucial for the soul, I think.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah, definitely. We’re just about out of time, so I want to ask you one last question, which is, is there anything I haven’t asked you about that that I should have? Any other last point you want to make to help?

Rachel White
Well, not really. One thing. I made a little note. I just want to say to you, I like the concept of your book and what you talk about on here, and I just want to give you the compliment of you are really onto something. And I’m sure you know this in encouraging people to just be really present and authentic, like showing instead of telling that and being in alignment. And I just, you know, I work with people with their small woo based businesses. Yeah, I call it business of woo mentoring. And I always try and redirect them away from tricks. Like, I don’t particularly like social media. I don’t spend a lot of time on it. I spend time like, being present with clients, having conversations like this, things that I actually want to do substantively. And it kind of takes care of itself. There’s other things you got to do or whatever, but I don’t know, I just feel like there’s no real hat trick beyond being really present and consistent. And people don’t want to hear that because it’s not that sexy or sparkly, but it’s very true.

Gloria Grace Rand
Yeah.

Rachel White
I just want to make a point to thank you for putting that. The more of us who say things like that, the less the insanity is going to continue to permeate everything.

Gloria Grace Rand
I think so, too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know that folks have been enjoying this as much as I have. I’m sure. I just trust it. So if they want to be able to get in touch with you, maybe find out about, you know, some of your flower essences and things, where’s the best place for people to reach out?

Rachel White
Just go to my website, totemreadings.com, and there’s a form submittal on there that my email’s on there. I’m really, really responsive on email. I am not as responsive on social media because I give myself a budget. I joke that I post and I ghost someone there for about ten to 15 minutes maximum. And so, yeah, I just, I think if something takes more energy than it gives to you, again, checking in with how that feels, physically, energetically, just keep it moving. But on email, I will respond because I could do that in my pajamas out in the garden.

Gloria Grace Rand
I love it. I love it.

Rachel White
Yeah.

Gloria Grace Rand
Well, thank you so much. This is really great.

Rachel White
Thank you.

Gloria Grace Rand
Really been great. You are a joy to talk with and I love the work you’re doing in the world, so keep it up.

Rachel White
Thank you. And you too. I appreciate you.

Gloria Grace Rand
Well, thank you. And I also want to thank all of you for watching and for listening today. And I have a special request. If you are really enjoying the show, there is one way besides, you know, wonderfully, you know, leaving comments and reviews, but live love Engage has been nominated for a Women in Podcasting award in the mindset category. So if you would be so kind as to vote for us between now and October 1, 2024, you can go to womeninpodcasting.net/awards and you’ll be able to vote right there. You get taken to the category section. Look for live love, engage under mindset, and it doesn’t cost anything. So it’s, you know, it’s free, easy, and I would greatly appreciate it. And, yeah, I think that’s going to do it. I will have that in the show notes as well, so don’t worry about it. And yeah, so thank you all for being with us. And I so appreciate each and every one of you for watching, whether you’re watching on YouTube or on social media or listening. And until next time, as always, I invite you to go out and live fully, love deeply and engage authentically.

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Embracing Curiosity: A Path to Spiritual Growth with Rachel White | Gloria Rand (2024)

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